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The result was delete‎. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haruki Umemura

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Deleted before. No trace of notability, played 1 cup game and not in any of the J Leagues, creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 20:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - So, Umemura didn’t play a lot of soccer due to some serious injuries, but there is an absolute ton of extensive independent coverage both of the injuries cutting his career short, but also of his after football career as the assistant abbot of a Buddhist temple belonging to his wife’s family. I’ve gone ahead and edited the article with all the extra information, sources and line citations. It’s all in Japanese (naturally), but you should be able to use google translate to check it if you are so inclined. I only ended up using like 6-7 of the articles, but there are at least another dozen or so readily apparent via a basic google search of his name (in kanji), and I can only guess many more if I used more precise search terms. With all these in-depth and independent sources, there is no way that this article does not meet general notability, and since, as @Clariniie points out, there is no seperate NFOOTBALL, this is as clear a keep as I’ve come across in a while. Ping to @GiantSnowman as requested. Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment To add, I can’t find evidence of a prior AfD (I’m guessing just because I don’t know where to look, having only been here 3 months still), but if it was 10 years ago that would have been just after that first injury, so it makes sense it failed because at that stage he’d still played no professional games yet, and had not transformed himself into a monk, so coverage would have been minimum simple due to “too soon”. Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haruki Umemura, it's literally linked in the top corner. Please summarise the sources for us. GiantSnowman 18:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, nice, can’t believe I didn’t look there.
They’re all in the article now, I added them all as sources / line citations… just click and translate via google translate. Some shorter articles, but some long articles too, a couple in the 3-5 page range. Here’s the kanji for his name though 梅村 晴貴 - cut and past that into google and you’ll get the full basic search for his name.
It’s late here and I need to sleep, but if you still really need me to go through them for you rather than looking, I’ll have time later tomorrow.
Have a great day over there. Absurdum4242 (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so just the basics since I’m a bit busy this afternoon, but here’s that summary. Source order is as listed on the article.
Sources 2 and 4 - different pages from a 3 page article in a sports magazine on Umemura’s youth career, move to the professionals, and the injury that derailed his career.
Source 3 - single page article in the Shizuoka Shinbun Newspaper talking about Umemura’s participation in the SBS Cup International Youth Soccer tournament during his youth career.
Source 5 - short announcement, in an online soccer site, published by Kodansha, Japan’s largest publisher, announcing his professional signing.
Source 6 - short announcement, in same online site as source 5, announcing his injury and upcoming surgery.
Source 8 - 4 page article in a sports magazine talking about Umemura’s move from professional player, to team staff, to priest, due to the request from his wife’s family to take over their temple, and about his new role in that temple.
Source 9 - 1 page article in same online site as 5 and 6, talking about transition from player, to team staff, and then his two and a half years of training to gain his priest’s license. Also an announcement that he will be involved in a 15th anniversary match for the Toyama team, that I haven’t tracked down yet, as this article talks about it in the future tense.
Hope that helps. Absurdum4242 (talk) 04:20, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Artcile has been updated with more sources, giving this another week so it can be re-evaluated.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I can't see how this passes WP:GNG even with the rather recently-added citations of articles in Japanese. Several of the other players in the league also appear to have pages of a similar nature; there's a lack of Wikipedia levels of significant independent coverage of the individual apart from the immediate associative press releases one would come to expect of a JFL player. Should the JFL-related releases, which seem to mostly revolve around the subject's final season and concerns over his injury, supercede my assessment, then my apologies for the error. but I sincerely do not believe the coverage qualifies for WP:SNG or WP:SIGCOV. In other words, I believe most of the coverage of the subject could be considered as fitting under WP:SBST, which therefore renders the page as unwarranted as a standalone article. ^^ TheMysteriousShadeheart (talk) 22:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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