Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.40] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

NODOGAN said:

Only reason I help Quin is cuz I have a completionist issue and I want the entrace of Taelia's Talons on the info page in-game, beyond that he now just lives on Garth's place I guess?

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This, you can be sure that i would never help quin if not for the fact that his presence actually helps me complete the info page

GroupSession said:

I like the additions because of how much seething it generates over a porn game

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well, we all come here for the exact same reason so nothing wrong with that, hell, i come here to read about people seething over little shit.

(just throwing this out there)

And also to spite tobs, because i love foxes, but the main reason i started this crusade was because the doubted me as a human being just because i tried to actually teach something to my virtual daughter, for fucks sake, this is a game man, i don't know about other people, but i play coc2 for a few days once a month and then forget about it, because i have better things to do, coc2 is not my whole life, it's just a game i play when i'm in the mood to play smut games, then here comes a little prick that thinks he's better than all of us because he's got some delusions about having power, to make matters worse, i don't even like incest, i would stay 100ft away from Kinu if there was any possibility of incest with her, but her dumb fuck author just had to marry her to another one of his self inserts that also acts like i'm some kinda of dumb little shit from fucks know where that knows nothing about how life is, seriously, the only problem i have with the kitsune den is that me, as a player, has no input in how to teach my PCs children.
"No, i don't think kinu should marry that piece of shit kiyoko, no, i'm not gonna let that happen, i don't give a fuck about you society on the other fucking side of the ocean and if you force the issue i'm gonna burn that fucking tree down with everyone inside of it" that's the option i wanted when talking about Kinu's husband to be, so yeah, i hate tobs and his stinky little "daddy" problems, he can shove em for all i care and i'm sure most of us here feels the same, because what we all want is for our characters to actually have some impact in the game's relationships and not be some fucking lamp post that is just there to be used as some sexy toy to hot pussy/dicks.
Also, good content. Bitch, please, i don't care about loss scenes, if there's a part of the player base that enjoys that, just make a character for it, no need to add a actual scene where our companions end up being raped when we lose.

MoneyMan181 said:

Well that is some extremely stupid shit and is a bad look either way. You either have them doing it out of spite or they make rapey NTRish content for characters people are going to be attached to because... money I guess?

Regardless of why it was written, it's a shit scene that doesn't belong in the game. The fact that it's also the only scene this fucked up on a lovable and not controversial character is seriously fucking stupid. Test the waters with a minor character first if you actually wanna do that nasty shit.

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I can agree that it's out of place in this game, but I don't think NTR is only written in the interest of spite. In some ways Brienne is the perfect character for such a scene because she's one of the likely ones for the waifu crowd to get attached to which makes the NTR more effective for those who're into that. Everyone's got their kinks afterall, I'm not going to shame you for wanting to lick Brienne's abs.

Skandranon said:

Well I'd rather be posting about how awesome the new Berwyn content is but circumstances have made that kind of HARD.

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The wait is real, here's hoping it's worth it in the end. I feel like it's mostly going to be focused around his quest but I'm hoping for a little more dom content from him, it's equal parts hilarious and hot.

smithsmithsmith said:

I can agree that it's out of place in this game, but I don't think NTR is only written in the interest of spite. In some ways Brienne is the perfect character for such a scene because she's one of the likely ones for the waifu crowd to get attached to which makes the NTR more effective for those who're into that. Everyone's got their kinks afterall, I'm not going to shame you for wanting to lick Brienne's abs.

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If NTR's your kink whatever, but that shit wasn't written or approved by Brienne/Brint's creator, and most importantly isn't NTR. There's no element of corruption or what have you. It's just straight rape. Shit's like getting off to the Crow or Berserk's bad bits, only possibly worse because it's all imagination, which fucked as i am i'll openly judge

Daken9 said:

If NTR's your kink whatever, but that shit wasn't written or approved by Brienne/Brint's creator, and most importantly isn't NTR. There's no element of corruption or what have you. It's just straight rape. Shit's like getting off to the Crow or Berserk's bad bits, only possibly worse because it's all imagination, which fucked as i am i'll openly judge

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Anyone who hasn't snapped one off to the Casca and Griffith scene hasn't tried hard enough /s. On a serious note though rape fantasies are remarkably common and so long as it stays fantasy that's not a problem, hell there's probably more games with the rape tag than without on this site especially if you filtered by female protag.

I just don't get Kinus content. I just recently learned of the second part of her quest, where you have to talk to komari first I think then can talk to kinu again. So your daughter, and also a BIG DEAL to the kitsune, who timeline wise was recently attacked, along with her entire family, by a entire group that apparently got past a gods protection and proceeded to yeet fire all over your home a few hours or so until people noticed, proceeds to travel cross continent with KOHAKU and what seem to be 5 or 6 farmers-with-pitchforks level guards. You've got people like kurako, golem maker fox that's abandonware, miko and mai, or I dunno, NAKANO?

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So kinu gets jumped, by the same people, kohaku and the farmers suffer a coma, a fatality and severe wounds from a single wave, then kinu commands them to run away. So man with rapier talks about taoth and wanting to rape her rapidly, and then basically is a nano second from killing her but they write in a "actually her shoulder touched the teleport so she's k". Afterward, when your character starts trying to say anything about defending her more, it basically boils down to her saying she's a strong independent woman who is very close to learning the power of friendship and a training arc. Nakano would have had a moment to have really shone if he'dve been the one that stayed with her/ saved her after she told kohaku to flee, and he received injuries in her place or some such, and they wouldntve needed a more blatant deus ex machina but anyway. So taoth is what was originally going to be the "evil" kitsune route stemming from when you first take the amulet, there was going to be a whole route where you sided with him instead but apparently nobody wanted to write it or it took effort or something. Main thing though is taoth is essentially god-level, or at minimum kasyrras level. So keros apparently is letting a foreign dark god randomly attack his people, kill them, maim them, siege a home of his direct descendants under his protection, he doesn't inform you, who could be his champion at this point, he doesn't inform his priestesses, he doesn't inform kiyoko, he doesn't directly interfere, they didn't give kinu any guards worth a crap, and both times she only wasn't violated or slowly tortured to death from sheer luck.

So imo it's stupid on multiple levels, that she's just a solo DND power fantasy, that nobody in the den seems to care, that keros is doing jack-all while a enemy god supposedly from kas' dimension and his cult does whatever in his domain, that her fiance, at least one of which is a turbo samurai fanboy apparently let her go cross continent on her own after she's already been a target while he whines and writes crap poetry, and also that taoth, who is at minimum a second or third endgame-level antagonist, is going to be dealt with most likely by a solo kinu becoming a anime level power fantasy while the main character just listens to her stories while sitting in the corner. Edit: OH YEAH I forgot, for bonus points MALLACH via river is the one to directly interfere to ensure her safety at the end.

Does anyone have a link to the latest version?

smithsmithsmith said:

On a serious note though rape fantasies are remarkably common and so long as it stays fantasy that's not a problem, hell there's probably more games with the rape tag than without on this site especially if you filtered by female protag.

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Thing is though, you don't have to shove that shit onto a character like Brienne. Just do it on another character that you're not going to fucking marry. Then again I can't for the life of my think rape is anything but disgusting whether it's a fantasy or not, so what do I know.

undyingrevenant said:

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Honestly amazes me how many people take issue with his writing and nothing is being done about it. Like does nobody on the dev team actually see the issue with the guy or something? Does he even listen to feedback? I would assume not because his writing hasn't changed this entire time.

I just shouldn't question these things, I probably don't even want to know the answer in the first place. Just so weird how one person can have their head stuck in the ground that deep. I imagine he doesn't do much self-reflection in general.

MoneyMan181 said:

Honestly amazes me how many people take issue with his writing and nothing is being done about it. Like does nobody on the dev team actually see the issue with the guy or something? Does he even listen to feedback? I would assume not because his writing hasn't changed this entire time.

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Nothing is being done about it because...its working. Lots and lots of people simp hard for the kitsune content, and Tob's writing in general. There were lots of positive comments on the Gweyr stuff. People gush over his writing in the forums and the Discord. People take issue with it too, but in general, Tobs' content is some of the more popular stuff in the game.

Shitty stuff sells all the time, gotta roll with it.

I just shouldn't question these things, I probably don't even want to know the answer in the first place. Just so weird how one person can have their head stuck in the ground that deep. I imagine he doesn't do much self-reflection in general.

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Actually, on the Discord in the last few days he discussed at length how he was surprised at some of the reactions his stuff got, his reasons for writing it the way he did and what he plans to change for next game (him, Wsan and Savin have been dropping more and more about "Next game"). It was kind of an interesting read...though a lot of the nuance is lost on me because I've still never done the fox stuff besides saying I will a billion times by now.

Skandranon said:

Actually, on the Discord in the last few days he discussed at length how he was surprised at some of the reactions his stuff got, his reasons for writing it the way he did and what he plans to change for next game (him, Wsan and Savin have been dropping more and more about "Next game").

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Is this a sign they're giving up on this game? Because the coding bottle neck would get even worse if they release a new game while this one is still on "development".
Mods creator, time to shine

Noone202 said:

Is this a sign they're giving up on this game? Because the coding bottle neck would get even worse if they release a new game while this one is still on "development".

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I doubt it. But KM's start marked the halfway point for development, so this game only has 2 or 3 more years planned for dev time.

So apparently they think up ideas for what they'll do once it's over.

Skandranon said:

Nothing is being done about it because...its working. Lots and lots of people simp hard for the kitsune content, and Tob's writing in general. There were lots of positive comments on the Gweyr stuff. People gush over his writing in the forums and the Discord. People take issue with it too, but in general, Tobs' content is some of the more popular stuff in the game.
Shitty stuff sells all the time, gotta roll with it.

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I'm going to be honest with you, but that Discord and forum is a gigantic hugbox. Tobs is a decent writer but lacks a strict editor so he makes the same mistakes as a lot of authors given full free reign. Gweyr's quest was so balls to the wall retarded I don't understand how people can like it. She knew the people were brainwashed/ convinced and were only children and she was physically stronger than them. Instead of a non lethal approach she just killed them without second thoughts and your PC can't call her out for her stupidity.

Then we go to Kinuquest which is just so much wanking of Kinu that I'm surprised that Savin allowed it because he denied a submission of a sword companion because the sword companion didn't involve the player too much but allowed that snoozefest in. Tobs also writes like a Korean webtoon author with the unnecessary drama that happens and you have no influence on the outcome. Kiyoko's jealousy of young Kinu and the whole Keros pulling the most devious prank by leaving your family in the orb for 10 years so they can hate you? That crispy fox's original story before Savin had to tard wrangle him. The whole fox culture is just ripped from Japan's isolationism but told through a weeb Chinese person.

hater45 said:

I'm going to be honest with you, but that Discord and forum is a gigantic hugbox. Tobs is a decent writer but lacks a strict editor so he makes the same mistakes as a lot of authors given full free reign. Gweyr's quest was so balls to the wall retarded I don't understand how people can like it. She knew the people were brainwashed/ convinced and were only children and she was physically stronger than them. Instead of a non lethal approach she just killed them without second thoughts and your PC can't call her out for her stupidity.

Then we go to Kinuquest which is just so much wanking of Kinu that I'm surprised that Savin allowed it because he denied a submission of a sword companion because the sword companion didn't involve the player too much but allowed that snoozefest in. Tobs also writes like a Korean webtoon author with the unnecessary drama that happens and you have no influence on the outcome. Kiyoko's jealousy of young Kinu and the whole Keros pulling the most devious prank by leaving your family in the orb for 10 years so they can hate you? That crispy fox's original story before Savin had to tard wrangle him. The whole fox culture is just ripped from Japan's isolationism but told through a weeb Chinese person.

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There's also the fact that if you make some kinda of constructive argument on the forums against the writers it gets blasted to the moon, if you try, they WILL SHOOT YOU DOWN, like, 99% of the times, they shit on the heads of people that try to talk bad about something in the game and they do it hard, i saw posts of people being shitted upon so fucking hard it hurt me emotionally to read it, they take NO ARGUMENTS AGAINST THEM, NONE and that's why i don`t trust they forums/discord, most of the times, only their flunkies' talk there which ends up in a ton of people talking really good about the game and the ones that talk bad of it are gangraped.

Skandranon said:

Lots and lots of people simp hard for the kitsune content, and Tob's writing in general. There were lots of positive comments on the Gweyr stuff. People gush over his writing in the forums and the Discord. People take issue with it too, but in general, Tobs' content is some of the more popular stuff in the game.

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Well with how curated their discord and forum seem to be, I'd say that certainly doesn't help. For me, if even one person has sincere critcism, I'll always take it to heart, even if I don't agree with it. TOBS doesn't seem to care about even the small amount he does get. Idk, it's just weird to me he doesn't seem like he wants to even improve as a writer.

Skandranon said:

Shitty stuff sells all the time, gotta roll with it.

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I mean yeah but I guess I just expected better when the whole thing is centered around writing, meaning since it's the only thing to go on, people would be more critical of it. You can't pretty up the shit with flashy lights and colors when the shit is all there is, yknow?

MoneyMan181 said:

Well with how curated their discord and forum seem to be, I'd say that certainly doesn't help. For me, if even one person has sincere critcism, I'll always take it to heart, even if I don't agree with it. TOBS doesn't seem to care about even the small amount he does get. Idk, it's just weird to me he doesn't seem like he wants to even improve as a writer.

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I've never really noticed said curation being that bad. I hear about it a lot around here, but I've seen lots of people being critical of the devs. Just for example, that Brienne scene is widely disliked, and it's gotten quite a a lot of back and forth. As well as Tobs' stuff in general being controversial whenever it comes up.

I've actually noticed more censorship here, in this thread. Wide swathes of it get deleted seemingly at random and I've never really figured out why.

I mean yeah but I guess I just expected better when the whole thing is centered around writing, meaning since it's the only thing to go on, people would be more critical of it. You can't pretty up the shit with flashy lights and colors when the shit is all there is, yknow?

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You think so? Because 50 Shades of Grey and Twilight both sold gangbusters. So do (gag) light novels, and those are pretty much universally bad.

Trashy writing might be an even easier sell than trashy TV.

Konstantinus said:

Because except WSan all the authers that still work on it are anti power fantasy.

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Jstar...
Gweyr (psycho, non-sexable)<Fem asgeir (sexable)

Kroenen12 said:

Jstar...

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Gweyr (psycho, non-sexable)<Fem asgeir (sexable)

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Bruh, I'll take that over Gweyr any time.

Skandranon said:

I've never really noticed said curation being that bad. I hear about it a lot around here, but I've seen lots of people being critical of the devs. Just for example, that Brienne scene is widely disliked, and it's gotten quite a a lot of back and forth. As well as Tobs' stuff in general being controversial whenever it comes up.

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Well I can't personally attest to it since I don't care enough to look in either, I'm just going off of what people say. 'S why I said seems instead of just outright saying one way or another. Would be glad if that wasn't the case at any rate.

Skandranon said:

I've actually noticed more censorship here, in this thread. Wide swathes of it get deleted seemingly at random and I've never really figured out why.

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Never noticed that personally and I'd say I check thread decently often. Weird. Was it your own posts or someone else's? Maybe people just delete their posts.

Skandranon said:

You think so? Because 50 Shades of Grey and Twilight both sold gangbusters. So do (gag) light novels, and those are pretty much universally bad.

Trashy writing might be an even easier sell than trashy TV.

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True enough I suppose. Guess I just put too much faith in people.

MoneyMan181 said:

Never noticed that personally and I'd say I check thread decently often. Weird. Was it your own posts or someone else's? Maybe people just delete their posts.

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It's generally older stuff, is what's weird. Like, a few days to a few weeks before.

You'd probably never notice unless you were in the habit of trying to refer to old conversations, which I like to do frequently.

I'll try to find something I said, comb through weeks of posts, and realize that whole multi-page conversations were nuked, nothing remaining. Occasionally there'll be a notice about a cleanup, but not always.

It's like a mod visits once a month, realizes they should probably do something, nukes a random stretch of 50 posts and then disappears again.

arls120 said:

please I hope they give it sexual content that the same thing doesn't happen to us as with Taldahs ......... what the hell is the use of having such a good design if you can't fuck it.

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Balak Knightfang:

Say do I need to bring Garret with me to get all items from the medallion ghost quest? cuz I wanna fuck the wolf ghost THICCNESS herself but the idiot whinning how "she looks like my mommy" is a turn-off (and I'm not sure a one-off wank is worth losing unique items.)